Pirates!

sunlover83

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Tuesday, April 14th 2009, 4:58am

What do you think of the pirate activity near the Horn of Africa? Was the U.S. Navy activity just the beginning of military confrontations with these outlawa?

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xgsft

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Tuesday, April 14th 2009, 5:28am

RE: Pirates!

As has been said many times before...

Pirates are fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUUjk5wlMBg

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richirich

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Tuesday, April 14th 2009, 7:38am

I think that you americans with your self-centered view of the world noticed it only because there was a us-skipper kidnapped.

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Tuesday, April 14th 2009, 3:57pm

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Originally posted by richirich
I think that you americans with your self-centered view of the world noticed it only because there was a us-skipper kidnapped.

We are not as self-centered as you may think, mein Deutsch Freund. There has been quite a outcry here against the pirates for sometime. Their actions have been in papers here for some time, as has been the topic on many US based forums I visit as well. Many of us were pressing for action long before that US ship was hijacked.

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strongbowww

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Thursday, April 16th 2009, 9:23pm

richi you are informed, that actually germany is helping too with the pirate problem, arent you?

@xgsft
thx, for the HILARIOUS video!

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Danee

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Friday, April 17th 2009, 7:20pm

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Originally posted by richirich
I think that you americans with your self-centered view of the world noticed it only because there was a us-skipper kidnapped.

Well, THAT was certainly rude and uniformed, wasn't it!

You Americans.....with your etc. etc. How much have you really read and studied with an open mind since last November? I am so happy your attitude is not representative of YOUR wonderful country, that's for sure.

Perhaps if the other countries who have had ships hijacked didn't just sit there and "say, oh my, oh my, how sad, pay them I guess. Oh gosh", and sent a warship or two say "Ok, lets play fuckers", then this would stop. You all have them, send them. We take care of our own and its time the rest of the world said to these freaks, 'Fuck with us, and pay the price bigtime".

We are trying by the hour to unravel 8 years of fuckups here in the U.S. and the least you could do is to get that. I am one American, who is a left wing modernist, who is so enriched by having many Euro friends and their thoughts enrich me.

Sorry for being blunt but that was just wrong!

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Saturday, April 18th 2009, 5:05am

Even now there is a UN fleet with ships of many nations patrolling off Somalia. Even with this fleet, it is very difficult to patrol that large of a area that is trying to be covered. One action that could be kinda sticky but isn't a bad idea, why not place merc groups on board ships traveling in these waters? The pirates come on board only to find that there is a group of 10-15 guys with G3's/MP5's/AR-15's pointed at them either forcing them back down to their ship or they are captured/neutralized right there on the deck.

However, paying these people off is only encouraging them to continue these actions. Considering they have nothing and even a slim chance of making a couple of bucks would make it worth the effort. Take the chances of making easy cash to zero and send the majority of the pirates back to shore in body bags/crates, imprison them, or disappear with whereabouts unknown *AKA lost at sea* then you should see some results.

The recent events of what happened to the Maersk Alabama kinda makes me chuckle as it was a excellent show of force to the pirates of why not to screw with merchant ships, and that is how it should be for every one of hijacking.

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strongbowww

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Saturday, April 18th 2009, 1:13pm

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Original von xgsft
Even now there is a UN fleet with ships of many nations patrolling off Somalia. Even with this fleet, it is very difficult to patrol that large of a area that is trying to be covered. One action that could be kinda sticky but isn't a bad idea, why not place merc groups on board ships traveling in these waters? The pirates come on board only to find that there is a group of 10-15 guys with G3's/MP5's/AR-15's pointed at them either forcing them back down to their ship or they are captured/neutralized right there on the deck.

However, paying these people off is only encouraging them to continue these actions. Considering they have nothing and even a slim chance of making a couple of bucks would make it worth the effort. Take the chances of making easy cash to zero and send the majority of the pirates back to shore in body bags/crates, imprison them, or disappear with whereabouts unknown *AKA lost at sea* then you should see some results.

The recent events of what happened to the Maersk Alabama kinda makes me chuckle as it was a excellent show of force to the pirates of why not to screw with merchant ships, and that is how it should be for every one of hijacking.

you cant be serious about this mercenary crap? can you?

just in case you forgot what the super duper mercs were up to in iraq/afghnistan...

your plan looks like some typical wild west crap, international conflicts are a place for calm and thinking people, not for buffalo bill and his merc friends!

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Saturday, April 18th 2009, 3:57pm

Actually, I was. In case you didn't notice, this is the "wild west" that you speak of. Really, who are you going to talk to to end the piracy issue? The defunct Somalian government? The pirates themselves? Well, they just issued a statement that they will kill any US crews.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

We are dealing with something that is far worse than the US "Wild west" *which was actually quite civilized, most of what we think of the wild west is Hollywood* we are dealing with a state that is in anarchy where people like the pirates can do anything and get away with it.

However, if Merc's rub you the wrong way, there is always the though of putting UN teams of the same caliber *most likely better* up on the decks to protect the ships with the same idea as my last post.

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NAktiv

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Sunday, April 19th 2009, 10:36pm

Well said Danee, it was rude and hardly accurate. Maybe if other nations that have the capability to step up to the plate would actually do something then it wouldn't always have to be us.

I hope this doesn't turn into a discussion that's super political with one nationality casting dispersions on another. Lets just focus on the lives that are adversely affected and what might possibly be done about.

This does point out that if everyone went nude I do think there would be less fighting,

I don't think many want to have to fight naked!!

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EB-Fortgeschrittener

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 1:39am

Well this question certainly lit a fuse! I don't think its fair to blame the USA for being self-centered on this issue - pirates are, after all, opportunistic criminals - like highway robbers only their highway is the open sea. In this case they are going after victims with insurance policies, regardless of their country of origin. The recent pirates made a big mistake in picking on a ship that eventually led to the involvement of the US Navy Seals. These guys are trained in counter-espionage and are deadly accurate with a gun. What the US response, and that of France and recently the Dutch has shown is that if you get tough you can take them out. The USA can't afford to have its attention diverted by Somalia. There are too many other things needing repair. A good approach is to handle this problem cooperatively with other nations.

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NAktiv

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 6:01am

Not all pirates are criminals:

You are being lied to about pirates: Some are clearly just gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and trawling.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com…es-1225817.html

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Anwärter

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 6:48am

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Originally posted by vreiculs
A good approach is to handle this problem cooperatively with other nations.

I totally agree! It is a international problem as ships are being attacked indiscriminately. So, a international force should take care of it.

Oh, Elias, that did some up on another forum. Basically, I need to see more evidence on that before I could consider that to be true. First off, why would Euro companies spend all that money on ships, crews, fuel, and bribes to get past any cargo inspections that should occur? It would be far cheaper just to dispose of it as it should be rather than spend all that cash to go dump it off the östlich Afrika shore line.

Further, the story has another hole as do you see the pirates demanding the dumping be stopped? No, you just hear about them wanting a ransom. Do you think they are using this money to help clean up a supposedly bad ecosystem? No, it's personal gain. If the pirates were demanding that companies end dumping off their waters it would have shown up on some news network or another source of info.

The article you have posted shows absolutely no proof/references in what the author is claiming. So, could you please give us another source for this?

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "xgsft" (Apr 20th 2009, 6:54am)

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EB-Fortgeschrittener

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 12:32pm

Elias - by definition a pirate is a criminal, and these pirates are interested in only one thing - stealing money at gunpoint. Have you seen them doing anything else? Have they escorted fishing trawlers out to international waters? No, so let's not get all dewy-eyed and silly thinking that they are a bunch of Robin-Hoods.

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Fra_Diavolo

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 1:22pm

I don't have a problem with the policy of the United States in terms of piracy. When even Barack Sissybama recognized that he couldn't solve the conflict with smiling and chattering or with pushing up pirates to stars of the yellow press, why should Europe still be the "diplomatic" part in this conflict? I am the last person to support the yankee dream of being the last world power, and i could say that the "better America" already had to capitulate in the year of our lord 1865.

The pirates do their "job" because Somalia is one of those "fail states" with no more state authority to prohibit such hold-ups. I could not hear this europeen imbecility any longer, which is still hold a view on Africa in which the white man is the cause of african underdevelopment. Europe and even the USA are paying many of development aid, and even or because of this development aid, Africa still is a place where you can find nothing more than hunger, unnormal birthrates, corruption and the predictability of legal decisions, even in South Africa, where the black-dominated Welfare State is going to fordjudge white farmers to supply the enviousness of the mass of the black people.

The Pirates of Somalia and mostly of the islamic terrorism doesn't understand another language than the military language. That's not fine, but it is the real situation, out of dreaming areas of 68'ers who think that the law of policy - the difference between friend and enemy - could be overcome in a process which is leading to a world society, with the peace sponsored by fiat money and welfare state system. It looks like that the "case of emergency" has come back to be a part of the world policy.

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richirich

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 1:50pm

I think that it's our - the wealthy countries - fault that there are pirates. And they only want to survive. But that's not a reason to tolerate it. Zero tolerance would be the best. But the shipowners have to pay for the military actions.

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ray-wwe

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 1:52pm

i think nothing about this

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strongbowww

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 5:00pm

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Original von Fra_Diavolo
I don't have a problem with the policy of the United States in terms of piracy. When even Barack Sissybama recognized that he couldn't solve the conflict with smiling and chattering or with pushing up pirates to stars of the yellow press, why should Europe still be the "diplomatic" part in this conflict? I am the last person to support the yankee dream of being the last world power, and i could say that the "better America" already had to capitulate in the year of our lord 1865.

The pirates do their "job" because Somalia is one of those "fail states" with no more state authority to prohibit such hold-ups. I could not hear this europeen imbecility any longer, which is still hold a view on Africa in which the white man is the cause of african underdevelopment. Europe and even the USA are paying many of development aid, and even or because of this development aid, Africa still is a place where you can find nothing more than hunger, unnormal birthrates, corruption and the predictability of legal decisions, even in South Africa, where the black-dominated Welfare State is going to fordjudge white farmers to supply the enviousness of the mass of the black people.

The Pirates of Somalia and mostly of the islamic terrorism doesn't understand another language than the military language. That's not fine, but it is the real situation, out of dreaming areas of 68'ers who think that the law of policy - the difference between friend and enemy - could be overcome in a process which is leading to a world society, with the peace sponsored by fiat money and welfare state system. It looks like that the "case of emergency" has come back to be a part of the world policy.

I had to laugh hard, as always.

But could we agree that it may be your lord, but not "ours"? thx

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Fra_Diavolo

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 5:42pm

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Original von strongbowww
But could we agree that it may be your lord, but not "ours"? thx

That isn't my problem, if my lord isn't your lord. Your phrase might be true, cause i doesn't beliebe in Gender Mainstreaming or other equal ideologies. But at least, this isn't the crucial point of my comment, and i belief to know the reason why you are riding on this.

As it's the nature of people like you, they aren't able for a serious discussion about policy and other serious things. Europeens are the same as the american parts - for example, fatty-Michael Moore or Paul Krugman with his childishly theory of money and economic cycle. These left-whingers, white-man-hater, trade-unionists, welfare-state-supporters, supporters of egalitarismen and demagoguerys, couldn't respond in a serious way. They "laugh" about other who have more intellectual assets than these zeros might cumulate in their collectively ideologies.

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strongbowww

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Monday, April 20th 2009, 6:11pm

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Original von Fra_Diavolo

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Original von strongbowww
But could we agree that it may be your lord, but not "ours"? thx

That isn't my problem, if my lord isn't your lord. Your phrase might be true, cause i doesn't beliebe in Gender Mainstreaming or other equal ideologies. But at least, this isn't the crucial point of my comment, and i belief to know the reason why you are riding on this.

As it's the nature of people like you, they aren't able for a serious discussion about policy and other serious things. Europeens are the same as the american parts - for example, fatty-Michael Moore or Paul Krugman with his childishly theory of money and economic cycle. These left-whingers, white-man-hater, trade-unionists, welfare-state-supporters, supporters of egalitarismen and demagoguerys, couldn't respond in a serious way. They "laugh" about other who have more intellectual assets than these zeros mighhttp://board.fkk-jugend.com/editpost.php?postid=106508t cumulate in their collectively ideologies.

You just "made my day"!

but i totally agree, you just write your "Diplomarbeit" and have a far better in-depth knowledge of "everything", than e.g. Paul Krugman, who is a Princeton professor and winner of the nobe-price, and was at least assistant at three of the world's most known universities.

the rest is just your usual racist/social darwinism "i know everything" bs, at least you proved that spelling is not one of your core competencies

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@xgsft

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I totally agree! It is a international problem as ships are being attacked indiscriminately. So, a international force should take care of it.

that actually was what i meant, although i did not write exactly that, sry

but under no circumstances, should this be mercenaries

personally i also do not believe that these acts of piracy are in any way to help, its just for raising money from ransom or whatever reason they may say, but surely not for "the greater good"

on the other hand i DO believe, that there is a lot of illegal fishing/waste dumping/whatever, because a nicely filled envelope normally opens a lot of doors...

concerning the ships, i think this is the least worry, of european companies, normally they are well covered by insurance, and nothing is better than to get rid of an old vessel AND be paid for it

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